I am involved in a large research project that brings together university researchers and industry practitioners. This is certainly a model that is favoured by governments, who are looking for 'practical' research outputs. The collaboration has been so fraught throughout though, with many failures along the way. However, with negotiation and compromise, there have been many generative insights, often rooted in failure! I've consciously dug around for gateways between different worlds, and have tried to stay with discomfort, friction, and encounter.